Ozbow

Hmmm what to build ................

Gee man, you don't have to rub my face in it
Cool, they look pretty primo quality. You will be busy for a while.
Hamish.

Nice looking staves.

Jeff

littlejohn59 wrote:So whats in it for me Mick. I want something extraordinary....like fairy dust.....

oh great........ put the pressure on!

billets on left..... i'm going for a quality ELB.
centre billets are for belly laminations, although the big one I can rip in two and make another ELB...........not sure there......
Osage i'm not sure on.........spliced selfie or machine some belly strips and back with bamboo. Flatbow either way.
No rush.

Sup mick?
Sorry I couldn't get to lilydale I didn't have a working car (voltage regulator on the alternator packed up). Those are some ace looking staves but you've opened a can of worms. Is a spliced billet still considered a selfie? ...

So Mick
Been to bed or stay up all night playing in the shed. Or did you sleep with them

cmoore wrote:Sup mick?
Sorry I couldn't get to lilydale I didn't have a working car (voltage regulator on the alternator packed up). Those are some ace looking staves but you've opened a can of worms. Is a spliced billet still considered a selfie? ...

Hi Cam,
In my book if it is not backed, it's a selfie because it is "self backed".IMO
The reason it is spliced is because I can't afford a full length stave (above 64")......... well the shipping charges anyway!!!!
It may or mat not open a can of worms, I care not either way........
When are you coming up?
Mick.

Trad Bound wrote:So Mick
Been to bed or stay up all night playing in the shed. Or did you sleep with them

No they were in the garage Tony, but I was thinking about them........

Nice! You might even decide rather than splicing them together, you could go for the two piece option by using Bingham sleeves. It's an option that I've often considered.

I'm looking forward to seeing what you finally do with them.

cmoore wrote:Is a spliced billet still considered a selfie? ...

SELFBOW: A bow made entirely from one homogenous material, usually of wood. This bow can be made from a single stave or a joined pair of billets.

Jeff

Stickbow Hunter wrote:

cmoore wrote:Is a spliced billet still considered a selfie? ...

SELFBOW: A bow made entirely from one homogenous material, usually of wood. This bow can be made from a single stave or a joined pair of billets.

Jeff

Hello Jeff,

Would a billet bow still be a selfbow if it had a short riser overlay (i.e. inside the fade-outs), just to reinforce the splice? I note tip overlays are acceptable.....

Cheers.... Rod

Oh yeah.... nice billets Mick, are the brown ones Pacific Yew? Looks like you are going to have some fun

rodlonq wrote:

Stickbow Hunter wrote:

cmoore wrote:Is a spliced billet still considered a selfie? ...

SELFBOW: A bow made entirely from one homogenous material, usually of wood. This bow can be made from a single stave or a joined pair of billets.

Jeff

Hello Jeff,

Would a billet bow still be a selfbow if it had a short riser overlay (i.e. inside the fade-outs), just to reinforce the splice? I note tip overlays are acceptable.....

Cheers.... Rod

Oh yeah.... nice billets Mick, are the brown ones Pacific Yew? Looks like you are going to have some fun

Yes mate, they are Pacific yew.

rodlonq wrote:Would a billet bow still be a selfbow if it had a short riser overlay (i.e. inside the fade-outs), just to reinforce the splice?

If it was of the same wood I believe it would be.

Jeff

Stickbow Hunter wrote:

rodlonq wrote:Would a billet bow still be a selfbow if it had a short riser overlay (i.e. inside the fade-outs), just to reinforce the splice?

If it was of the same wood I believe it would be.

Jeff

I was thinking of something decorative, more along the lines of buff horn or antler. However the same wood would do the job nicely.

Cheers... Rod

Horace Ford.

Archery, its theory and practice; 2nd Edition 1859

"The self-bow may be made of one single piece, or of two pieces dovetailed together in the handle. If of one piece, the quality of the wood will not be quite the same at both ends, the lower part being slightly denser than the upper; whilst the grafted bow may be made of the same piece, cut or split apart, and so of exactly the same nature. The difference, however, is so slight as to be immaterial. Care must be taken, in choosing a grafted bow, to see that it be put firmly together in the middle."

Daryl.

Rod,

The archery term 'self' comes from the expression "of itself', meaning that the bow is made from wood from the same stave the bow came from.

As a definition, there will always be archery lawyers who can take any definition to its ridiculous extreme - not you of course, but you know what I mean I think.

All definitions eventually run up against their own brick walls. It would be a pretty hard-pressed argument to convince one that the mere building up of a handle riser using left-over wood from the same stave was not a self-bow.

However, it could also be argued that a bow made from laminations from the same stave was a self-bow - technically - the only difference being that the latter has more glue lines, but that would be really stretching the definition. Common usage would put such a bow into the category of a composite bow, but so could it also include the above self bow with the built-up handle riser - technically.

In the end, the extremities of each argument degenerate into a complex of sillinesses.

Mick,
Some really nice looking staves there. I am looking forward to a miracle of transformation or two from them.