First ever limb failure

How to make a Bow, a String or a Set of Arrows. Making equipment & tools for use in Traditional Archery and Bowhunting.

Moderator: Moderators

Post Reply
Message
Author
User avatar
Flatliner
Posts: 449
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:12 pm
Location: Gordonvale NTH QLD

First ever limb failure

#1 Post by Flatliner » Thu Sep 11, 2014 5:59 pm

Well it finally happened and it's got me stumped, the glue didn't fail, the Tasi Blackwood lamination failed in spectacular fashion, it split almost perfectly through the center of a 30 thou parallel lam so straightness of grain certainly wasn't the problem. The young fella that owns it said he had just put about 200 arrows through it that day and when he lifted it (with stringer fitted) to unstring it it made a cracking sound and did this.
SDC13512.JPG
SDC13512.JPG (188.54 KiB) Viewed 2478 times
SDC13514.JPG
SDC13514.JPG (180.54 KiB) Viewed 2478 times
As you can see there is a good layer of timber on both sides of the offending split.

Has anyone else had or seen a similar failure?

It goes with out saying the limb will be replaced, luckily I still have one lamination left of the really dark Tasi Blackwood that is on the back of the limb.

Cheers Rob.
The shortest distance between two points is a FLATLINE
ImageEmail; robnicoll(at)bigpond(dot)com
www.flatlinebows.com.au

User avatar
UPTHETOP
Posts: 1187
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 9:03 pm
Location: Dalby
Contact:

Re: First ever limb failure

#2 Post by UPTHETOP » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:09 pm

Hey Rob, just a thought as never scene that before especially in the centre of the Lam. Wouldn't use a wood harvested from Tassie in the tropics those southern trees just havnt been through a heated 40 deg hunt before. Just a thought.

Cheers Wayno
Justastik Arrow Craft, Its all about the Wood.

User avatar
Gringa Bows
Posts: 6331
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: Bundaberg QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#3 Post by Gringa Bows » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:19 pm

Maybe the young bloke dry fired a few times.........

User avatar
Stickbow Hunter
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 11637
Joined: Sat Jul 26, 2003 8:33 pm
Location: Maryborough Queensland

Re: First ever limb failure

#4 Post by Stickbow Hunter » Thu Sep 11, 2014 7:46 pm

I have seen that happen with other woods Rob. Why does it happen?

Perhaps there was an unseen fault in the wood.

If you haven't used that wood in your bows before perhaps it can't stand the sheering forces created in a bow limb.

Jeff

User avatar
Flatliner
Posts: 449
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:12 pm
Location: Gordonvale NTH QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#5 Post by Flatliner » Thu Sep 11, 2014 10:59 pm

Hey Wayno how would ya be? well it's called 'Tassi blackwood' but it grows right up the east coast and was sourced localy so I don't reckon that's it. Besides it lives In Mount Gambia.

Rod,, Dry fired :confused: ,,, maybe but you would expect the limb to split the other way from string impact.

I've used Blackwood in several bows Jeff and always found it a very suitable timber for the job, never had a problem with it.
The shortest distance between two points is a FLATLINE
ImageEmail; robnicoll(at)bigpond(dot)com
www.flatlinebows.com.au

User avatar
bigbob
Posts: 4098
Joined: Sat Jul 10, 2010 8:55 pm
Location: sunshine coast

Re: First ever limb failure

#6 Post by bigbob » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:30 am

Sure looks like shear forces at play, Rob but as to why, that is the question I wouldn't be able to answer.
nil illigitimo in desperandum carborundum
razorbows.com

User avatar
Gringa Bows
Posts: 6331
Joined: Thu Aug 30, 2007 7:09 pm
Location: Bundaberg QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#7 Post by Gringa Bows » Fri Sep 12, 2014 9:59 am

Maybe he dropped it out of a plane and it landed on that limb sideways....

User avatar
yeoman
Posts: 1563
Joined: Mon Mar 08, 2004 1:32 pm
Location: Canberra

Re: First ever limb failure

#8 Post by yeoman » Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:18 pm

Just out of curiosity, would the location of the split be at the neutral plane? That is, at half of the depth of the limb?
https://www.instagram.com/armworks_australia/

Bow making courses, knife making courses, armour making courses and more:
http://www.tharwavalleyforge.com/

Articles to start making bows:
http://www.tharwavalleyforge.com/index. ... /tutorials

User avatar
Flatliner
Posts: 449
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:12 pm
Location: Gordonvale NTH QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#9 Post by Flatliner » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:53 pm

Yo, Yeoman, no the split is around 15-20 thou from the belly glass and about 80-90 thou from the glass on the back of the limb.

In fact the split is so uniform and tidy I decided to remove the nock tip reglue the split and pop it back into the form and it's come out looking quite good. I'll make a new nock tip, put the limb back on the bow, string it up and put a couple of hundred arrows through it and see what happens. I reckon it will be fine.

Rob.
The shortest distance between two points is a FLATLINE
ImageEmail; robnicoll(at)bigpond(dot)com
www.flatlinebows.com.au

User avatar
greybeard
Supporter
Supporter
Posts: 2992
Joined: Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:11 am
Location: Logan City QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#10 Post by greybeard » Mon Sep 15, 2014 5:10 pm

Flatliner wrote: it split almost perfectly through the center of a 30 thou parallel lam so straightness of grain certainly wasn't the problem......
Flatliner wrote:, no the split is around 15-20 thou from the belly glass and about 80-90 thou from the glass on the back of the limb.
I am a little confused with the above are there multiple core laminations? 30 thou is about one and a half times the thickness of the cardboard used in a corn flakes box.

Daryl.
"And you must not stick for a groat or twelvepence more than another man would give, if it be a good bow.
For a good bow twice paid for, is better than an ill bow once broken.
[Ascham]

“If a cluttered desk is a sign of a cluttered mind, of what, then, is an empty desk a sign?” [Einstein]

I am old enough to make my own decisions....Just not young enough to remember what I decided!....

User avatar
Flatliner
Posts: 449
Joined: Fri Apr 08, 2011 6:12 pm
Location: Gordonvale NTH QLD

Re: First ever limb failure

#11 Post by Flatliner » Tue Sep 16, 2014 5:48 pm

greybeard wrote:I am a little confused with the above are there multiple core laminations? 30 thou is about one and a half times the thickness of the cardboard used in a corn flakes box.
Yeah Daryl there are three core laminations, the one on the back of the limb is a 1"/.001" wood taper that opposes the central 1"/.001" bamboo taper and the belly lam is a 30 thou parallel lam which has split pretty much through the center leaving around 15-20 thou of timber stuck to the belly glass.

Rob.
The shortest distance between two points is a FLATLINE
ImageEmail; robnicoll(at)bigpond(dot)com
www.flatlinebows.com.au

Post Reply