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A bit of History

#1 Post by hardgainer » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:42 am

Liked this little bit of info probably seen by many and seems to figure.... :smile:
There is an old Hotel/Pub in Marble Arch, London , which used to have a gallows adjacent to it. Prisoners were taken to the gallows (after a fair trial of course) to be hung.

The horse-drawn dray, carting the prisoner, was accompanied by an armed guard, who would stop the dray outside the pub and ask the prisoner if he would like ''ONE LAST DRINK''.

If he said YES, it was referred to as ONE FOR THE ROAD.

If he declined, that prisoner was ON THE WAGON.

So there you go. More bleeding history.

They used to use urine to tan animal skins, so families used to all pee in a pot and then once a day it was taken and sold to the tannery. If you had to do this to survive you were "**** poor", but worse than that were the really poor folk, who couldn't even afford to buy a pot, they "Didn't have a pot to **** in" and were the lowest of the low.

The next time you are washing your hands and complain because the water temperature isn't just how you like it, think about how things used to be.

Here are some facts about the 1500s:

Most people got married in June, because they took their yearly bath in May and they still smelled pretty good by June. However, since they were starting to smell, brides carried a bouquet of flowers to hide the body odour. Hence the custom today of carrying a bouquet when getting married.

Baths consisted of a big tub filled with hot water. The man of the house had the privilege of the nice clean water, then all the other sons and men, then the women and finally the children. Last of all the babies. By then the water was so dirty you could actually lose someone in it. Hence the saying, "Don't throw the baby out with the bath water!"

Houses had thatched roofs, thick straw piled high, with no wood underneath. It was the only place for animals to get warm, so all the cats and other small animals (mice, bugs) lived in the roof. When it rained it became slippery and sometimes the animals would slip and fall off the roof. Hence the saying "It's raining cats and dogs."

There was nothing to stop things from falling into the house. This posed a real problem in the bedroom, where bugs and other droppings could mess up your nice clean bed. Hence, a bed with big posts and a sheet hung over the top afforded some protection. That's how canopy beds came into existence.

The floor was dirt. Only the wealthy had something other than dirt. Hence the saying, "dirt poor." The wealthy had slate floors that would get slippery in the winter when wet, so they spread thresh (straw) on floor to help keep their footing.

As the winter wore on they added more thresh until, when you opened the door, it would all start slipping outside. A piece of wood was placed in the entrance-way. Hence: a thresh hold. (Getting quite an education, aren't you?)

In those old days, they cooked in the kitchen with a big kettle that always hung over the fire. Every day they lit the fire and added things to the pot. They ate mostly vegetables and did not get much meat. They would eat the stew for dinner, leaving leftovers in the pot to get cold overnight, then start over the next day. Sometimes stew had food in it that had been there for quite a while. Hence the rhyme: ''Peas porridge hot, peas porridge cold, peas porridge in the pot, nine days old''.

Sometimes they could obtain pork, which made them feel quite special. When visitors came over they would hang up their bacon, to show off. It was a sign of wealth that a man could, "Bring home the bacon." They would cut off a little to share with guests and would all sit around talking and ''chew the fat''.

Those with money had plates made of pewter. Food with high acid content caused some of the lead to leach onto the food, causing lead poisoning and death. This happened most often with tomatoes, so for the next 400 years or so, tomatoes were considered poisonous.

Bread was divided according to status. Workers got the burnt bottom of the loaf, the family got the middle, and guests got the top, or ''The Upper Crust''.

Lead cups were used to drink ale or whisky. The combination would sometimes knock the imbibers out for a couple of days. Someone walking along the road would take them for dead and prepare them for burial. They were laid out on the kitchen table for a couple of days and the family would gather around and eat and drink and wait and see if they would wake up. Hence the custom of ''Holding a Wake''.

England is old and small and the local folks started running out of places to bury people, so they would dig up coffins and would take the bones to a bone-house and reuse the grave. When reopening these coffins, 1 out of 25 coffins were found to have scratch marks on the inside and they realised they had been burying people alive. So they would tie a string on the wrist of the corpse, thread it through the coffin and up through the ground and tie it to a bell.

Someone would have to sit out in the graveyard all night (the graveyard shift) to listen for the bell; thus someone could be, ''Saved by the Bell ''or was considered a ''Dead Ringer''

And that's the truth.

Now, whoever said history was boring ! ! !

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Re: A bit of History

#2 Post by Roadie » Thu Sep 12, 2013 10:51 am

Don't you just Love History. Thanks Tony, a good little read with the Morning Coffee. Cheers Roadie.

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Re: A bit of History

#3 Post by littlejohn59 » Thu Sep 12, 2013 11:55 am

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I am a connoisseur of bygone but not totally useless information. :geek:
Thanks Hardgainer. An enjoyable read

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Re: A bit of History

#4 Post by bigbob » Thu Sep 12, 2013 4:16 pm

Really fascinating, and quite easy to accept the explanations as such. fascinating indeed. Thanks for posting.
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Re: A bit of History

#5 Post by Curvemeister » Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:14 pm

Awesome stuff , hopefully others will have some more to add , as I love finding out the meanings of sayings and why places were called what they were etc .

A small one I can add is an excerpt from the diary of John Nicol , a mariner who sailed on the "Lady Juliana " as ships cooper in the first fleet 1788 , circumnavigated the globe twice , visiting every inhabited continent , fought with the british navy against American privateers and Napoleons armada , and Hunted whales in the Arctic.

The following passage was while he was ashore in Wampoa , near canton in China reprovisioning;

" After the candles were made I removed to Banks hall to repair the cooper work , and screen sand and dry it , and to pack the tea boxes for our voyage home .
One day a boy was meddling rather freely with the articles belonging to me and Neptune bit him ."
( Neptune was the ships dog , a newfoundland )

"I was extremely sorry for it , and after beating him ( dog not boy :lol: ) , dressed the boys hurt which was not severe .
I gave the boy a few cass , who went away quite pleased .
In a short time after I saw him coming back and his father leading him .
I looked for squalls , but the father only asked a few hairs out from under Neptunes foreleg, close to the body.
He would take them from no other part , and stuck them all over the boys wound. **
He went away content.
I had often heard , when a person was tipsy from the evening before , people tell him to take a hair of the dog that bit him , but never saw it in the literal sense before . "

** EDITORS NOTE : perhaps this was a folk preventative against rabies
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Re: A bit of History

#6 Post by bigbob » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:12 pm

Another interesting anecdote! Hair of the dog indeed. That reminds me of the agnostic dyslexic, he really didn't believe there was a dog!!! :shock: :surprised: :biggrin: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: A bit of History

#7 Post by GrahameA » Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:40 pm

Evening All.

Being the sceptic, that I am, I would suggest that people check the veracity of the claims.
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#8 Post by Trad Bound » Thu Sep 12, 2013 7:30 pm

Thanks for that lightness Hardgainer and others it nice to bring some joy to the world. Well I think its joy and I think its to the world or am I being sceptical.
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Re: A bit of History

#9 Post by little arrows » Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:21 pm

You're a wealth of information hardgainer. I had heard some of them before. Here is a couple more.

women wear veils at a funeral so the spirits of the deceased can not recognise them. - I am not unable to recall from my little brain cell where I learned that snippet of information.

and then there is all the archery and black powder ones.

Keeping it under your hat - comes from the archers carrying their spare string, on their head, under the hat.

Cock up, - from placing the arrow incorrectly on the string.

I shall not hog the thread, I'm sure there are others who know the phrases too.

cheers
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Re: A bit of History

#10 Post by hardgainer » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:37 am

Ahhhhhh sceptics everywhere. Next people will try to convince me there is no such thing as Alien abduction :lol:

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Re: A bit of History

#11 Post by rodlonq » Fri Sep 13, 2013 9:57 am

Keep your Alfoil hat on hardgrainer and they wont be able to find us....

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Re: A bit of History

#12 Post by littlejohn59 » Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:51 pm

Skeptics.........If you don't believe...you don't receive.

Come on GrahameA.

Don't spoil it ...... I believe in Santa every year and the Easter bunny. Every year he comes and i receive a present from Father Christmas (if i have been good )and an Easter egg from you know who.
I believe in Robin Hood, thus Littlejohn59.

Veracity of the claims!!!!!!!!
Why wouldn't i believe in Hardgainer?

Come on GrahameA and other sceptics get with the program.

Let your hair down a little mate!

I refuse to believe everything in the world today is cold hard facts.

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Re: A bit of History

#13 Post by GrahameA » Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:03 pm

Afternoon.
littlejohn59 wrote: I believe in Santa every year and the Easter bunny.
They are real. I get all sorts of goodies from Santa and the pink rabbit turns up down the street occasionally
littlejohn59 wrote:I believe in Robin Hood, thus Littlejohn59.
He was real ..... although I have some concerns regarding his offsider ... and his girlfriend.

Just like the millions I apparently inherited the other week from a relative I was never aware of. :mrgreen:
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Re: A bit of History

#14 Post by little arrows » Fri Sep 13, 2013 8:19 pm

and from Falconry - we get.

Under the thumb or wrapped around little finger- where the Falcon is held on the hand the leash holding the bird is wrapped around the little finger, and the thumb placed over the birds feet

Fed up -means the bird has had it's fill and no longer needs to hunt.

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ps. these must be true, I learnt them on Time Team.

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Re: A bit of History

#15 Post by rmcpb » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:53 am

Now that was a good read :)
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Re: A bit of History

#16 Post by longbowinfected » Tue Sep 17, 2013 7:43 pm

Those nursery rhymes contain important warnings to be learnt by rote.

A tishu, A tishu we all fall down refers to the Plague/Black death where on one period a third of Christendom perished.
Sleep tight, do not let the bed bugs bite refers to the need to tighten the ropes holding you up on your bed otherwise it will get infested by the Bed bug.

So are they really fun, nursery rhymes? Certainly real. The topics are real too.

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